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Violence and intimidation at the DCCC? I didn’t see it, and I was there

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The Chron’s story, by a reporter who wasn’t there, presents a very misleading picture of how people expressed their feelings on the Mission Moratorium

Protesters chant "shame" -- but I didn't say anyone violent or intimidating
Protesters chant “shame”(while Examiner reporter Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez videos the scene) — but I didn’t see anyone acting anyone violent or intimidating

By Tim Redmond

May 29, 2015 — I am, I have to say, a bit boggled by a story that ran in this morning’s Chron. The report made it sound as if the DCCC meeting on the Mission Moratorium was a near-riot, with supporters of the Campos measure threatening and shoving the committee members who didn’t vote with them:

Campos’ frequent sparring partner on the Board of SupervisorsScott Wiener, described the moratorium supporters as scary. “It was going well beyond passionate advocacy and attempting to intimidate and silence people who oppose the moratorium.”

“Some of them got in my face,” he added. “I had a concern I was going to be assaulted.”

By the end of the night, one committee member said she had been assaulted.

Leah Pimentel said the meeting had ended minutes earlier when she felt someone shoving her. Pimentel said the person — who she identified as Rosario Cervantes, a consumer affairs representative at the California Public Utilities Commission — told her, “you’ve shown your true colors.”

 

I was there. The Chron reporter, Emily Green, wasn’t. And I didn’t see anything remotely resembling what Wiener and Pimentel complained about.

Neither did any of the folks I talked to who were at the meeting with me.

“We were chanting ‘shame’ at the end, but I didn’t see anyone push or attack anyone,” Tommi Avicolli Mecca, who was among the leaders of the movement in favor of the moratorium. “It was a pretty typical San Francisco political meeting.”

There are strong feelings on both sides of this issue. Both sides showed up at the meeting. Both sides applauded when their speakers made points, and both sides made noises when the other side spoke.

The chair, Mary Jung, had to keep reminding people not to make noise when others were speaking.

If you’ve been to contested hearings at the Board of Supes, that’s pretty standard practice. And it’s not surprising that there’s so much passion and even anger in the air – people who live in the Mission are seeing the fabric of their community literally ripped apart by displacement and speculation.

This has been going on for several years now – and it’s not surprising that a lot of people believe City Hall doesn’t see it as a crisis and has been ignoring the disaster that just keeps escalating.

The difference between the board and the DCCC is that the supes operate from behind a railing, and leave through a back door. At the DCCC, the elected members and the crowd have to exit together, through a fairly narrow doorway.

So the people who voted with the developers and the people from the Mission who are terrified of what is happening to their neighborhood were all forced together for a few minutes.

Wiener told me:

“As I was walking off the stage and out of the auditorium, a number of the moratorium supporters crowded around me and made it pretty hard for me to even get out of the room.  I was definitely concerned that I was going to be assaulted. After I left the building, a few of them followed me down the empty street for a block or so screaming at me.”

I don’t know what happened to Leah Pimentel. I didn’t see it happen. I’ve tried to get the police report from SFPD public affairs, but I haven’t heard back.

I know that I didn’t see any police arrive on the scene. Neither did anyone else I know who was there.

I am told that the police report mentions an 11:17pm call from a woman who said she was pushed. Maybe that happened. Maybe it was accidental – there were a lot of people in a small space. Again, I didn’t see it.

My friend Joe Fitzgerald Rodriguez was there reporting for the Examiner. I am pretty sure we were the only reporters in the room.

He took video that shows the end of the meeting. In the video, Wiener walks back to talk to other DCCC members while some activists shout “shame.” I see nobody threatening him.

 

The person in the red jacket, who is at the front of the protest, shouting and gesturing, is Avicolli Mecca. Tommi’s loud; he’s also a die-hard pacifist who was a conscientious objector in the Vietnam War. Tommi disdains violence.

In fact, he told me that he was watching the crowd pretty carefully because he didn’t want to see anything ugly break out. “We were making a lot of noise,” he said. “I even had some discussions with the folks from the other side. But I didn’t see anything resembling violence.”

Kay Karpus Walker, who was at the meeting, told me:

The people chanting were nowhere near Wiener but situated near the front of the seats and near the door. He might have passed through them (as I did) but so did a lot of other people at that time and the group made room to pass. Scary? What a crock. The chanters behaved like the small groups of people who express their anger on the steps of City Hall on a weekly basis. Considering the conditions in the city, they, we, are restrained and behaving in a traditional and time honored manner.

I don’t know everyone who was on the scene, but I know a lot of them, and I can’t see anyone in that group doing anything violent to anyone.

The video gets messy at the end because there was, in fact, someone following Wiener out the door and down the hall – that was Fitz the reporter. A consummate professional, doing his job. I saw him walk out with Wiener, politely talking to him about housing policy. I saw them standing at the door to the building.

Then I saw Wiener walk away down the street. Some of the activists shouted at him. I saw nobody follow him.

Laura Clark, who is on the board of GrowSF, told me that some of her members were afraid to speak because they felt intimidated. “People have said they felt uncomfortable,” she said.

I feel bad about that; everyone in the city has the right to speak at any public hearing, and shouldn’t feel intimidated. But honestly, from everything I’ve ever seen, the folks from the Mission who were at this hearing, and who will be at the Board of SupesTuesday, are not a violent group.

They are, as I said, upset, scared, angry. But they aren’t out in the streets breaking things (all of the very large marches have been peaceful; even the occupation of the Maximus development meeting was peaceful).

Folks: This was not a riot. The people who are complaining are way, way, overreacting.

And the message that gets sent is disturbing. It suggests that supporters of the moratorium (many of them Latino) are somehow thuggish, while the opponents (many of them white) are victims of fear and intimidation.

It wasn’t like that. At least, not the meeting I attended.

Tim Redmond
Tim Redmond has been a political and investigative reporter in San Francisco for more than 30 years. He spent much of that time as executive editor of the Bay Guardian. He is the founder of 48hills.

115 COMMENTS

  1. I was there and I can say that incident was design to make the opponents of the Campos plan feel afraid.

  2. San Francisco … city of the cult of Dependency. Helpless losers who want everything for nothing.

  3. Neither what these protesters are doing nor the unfortunate inequity of late capitalism is violence. Don’t be disingenuous.

  4. Tim: so you were there and because we should assume that your omniscient, all-seeing gaze captured every single movement by every human being in the room, it should be clear to us that the victim is just imagining things? Got it.

  5. Well, if you’re incorporated clearly you’re allowed to decide that a law doesnt suit you. In fact, in SF certain elected officials will even openly help you in that matter. For example, by passing unenforceable laws. Or refusing to collect data hiding behind ‘privacy’ concerns. Or refusing to build affordable housing with already collected funds and after the voters clearly showed their support. Or just doing nothing as the city collapses under its own weight.

    You claim harm was done? You mean someone didn’t like what they heard? I’m sure some egos were damaged. Time to get that consultant desk job. You know that fistfights occur at sessions of elected bodies worldwide? The UK is quite good at this. I venture that voters like to see their elected official show some conviction, strength, and emotion. Especially when there is a crisis.

    And where were the elected Democrat elders? Probably best not to get involved in an issue which could turn out badly and go viral in the national press.

    The vote was actually close and at least 4 elders abstained. Now people in SF, the 78% which can’t afford a median home (not to mention their children), got the message that the Democratic Party doesn’t care for their votes, has no sense of what’s happening on the ground, and is looking forward to working with the new ‘disposable’ (income) transplants.

  6. That’s wrong. The moratorium would prevent any such funds from blocked large developments in the Mission, off the top of my head that’s about five or so. The Mission is only a small fraction of SF land, plenty of building is going on elsewhere and that stream of funds is flowing. In fact, the city has a backlog of housing funds that are not being used. The city is slow, lethargic, or worse so needs help to get up to speed and get things done and that starts by procuring the very limited land for development. That is it.

    It also depends on what you mean by affordable. For the lowest bracket there are considerable federal subsidies. There also used to state redevelopment funds before the last economic collapse. Now we are in times of boom for a couple years and those funds are nowhere to be seen. Instead we hand out tax breaks and other subsidies, encourage unrestrained office development, and crush our frail infrastructure.

  7. You are confused. Burger King is a different project. The moratorium is only on luxury housing. Anything else can still be built. You are skeptical it wont? Let’s talk about that.

    People who have lived here their entire lives, sometimes for generations. They are law abiding, tax paying, rent bleeding, voting citizens like you, me, and perhaps those disposable guys.

    But please … Make way for those with lots of disposable income. I mean, they have income, right? What is culture, history, family, community, in light of dollars?

    And who do you trust more? The people who have created a world reknowned neighborhood out of crime, filth, and squalor? Or those disposable guys who made millions on an app or tech service no one knows about and benefits from, and who are screaming to buy into some kind of legit status, probably to cancel their disposable income aura?

  8. Well, a number of the most key Democrats we voted for abstained from the vote and weren’t even present… So really this is a farce and they should be out of a job. This is amounts to refusing to show up to work and furthermore do their job. That attitude wouldn’t fly with any serious employer. Ah, but this is just politics – children’s games for rich and powerful.

  9. No, only a small radical segment of the Mission community — landlords and developers — oppose this. No one else.

  10. Property ownership is 90% of the law in the US – this country was founded with laws written by people who were terrified that someone (ie royalty or some king) would seize their property . San Francisco is turning into a city for the rich and there probably is very little anyone can do. On the other hand, if corporations and the government can’t work together to provide adequate housing for people moving into an area you are going to end up with homelessness, degeneration and despair. That’s just common sense. It doesn’t matter if it is Walmart, a tech company or a manufacturing facility, if they are going to move thousands of new workers into an area they need to provide suitable housing.

  11. I would have enjoyed one of the ‘No’ people throwing a pie in Tommy’s face. “Shame on You, shame on You, shame on yorpgh”.

    But wait, wasn’t the ‘Yes’ crowd blocking the Exit? No chance to allow delivery of the “al a mode” ice cream

  12. this looks like a good old fashioned lively spirited protest, the kind that Americans have always been proud of. This is not Tianaman Square in China, where protestors get shot to death. If politicians can’t take someone yelling “shame” in their faces they should consider a different profession. (It would have been more enjoyable to watch if someone had thrown a pie in one of their faces)

  13. I would say they are more like fundy Christians, the populist rhetoric mixed with the intolerance for other opinions.

  14. Laura Clark IS the board of GrowSF!

    She is a recent arriviste from Chicago who started a website. She is being paid by somebody but who?

  15. Of course they’ve been contacted by the CHP. The California Motor Vehicle Code strictly limits free speech. Or something.

    Oh, and 1 comment in your history and complaining about ‘progressive’? Yeah, your post is credible. Not.

  16. Nice puff piece from the SF Examiner. I note that you didn’t post the link because the author didn’t even name the “poll” in question. I assume he’s talking about the Binder poll which the SFist questioned the accuracy. Poll data set was around 600 people and no comments on the actual randomization and if only consisted of registered voters.

  17. Has anybody noticed that the loudest people in that video are old white people?

    I wonder if Campos thinks the 7553 people from his own district who voted against him going to the Assembly support his moratorium.

  18. Sorry, but his account sounds objective, while yours sounds like a rationalization of bad behavior.

  19. Well, at least you admitted your bias here.

    I know Wiener and nobody knows who you are, so I’m afraid your skewed words do not carry much weight.

  20. Agree, they could be (and probably are) 0.001% of the population but they would still feel justified

  21. Nope, I am a registered Democrat (unlike Tommi) who voted for Obama.

    I asked you to cite a Tea Party rally that behaved as badly as Tommi’s thugs. Evidently you cannot.

  22. “Eight hundred to one thousand people went to City Hall on May 8 ”

    How did you arrive at that figure? I look at the pix on this site (5/11) of City Hall rotunda, and I count <300 on the floor and upper levels (visible). Granted, there were more than the usual 30 protestors, but "1000"?

    And with questions indicating 'only one year', and folks like "affordable" housing provider Tim Cohen calling this baffling, the Ex/Binder poll seems a bit of a stretch.

  23. “No more crazy” – after reading this I doubt it. I was there and there was no sign of Hillary Ronin leading the chanting crowd. Media spoke in front of the DCCC and seemed to support the amendment. He was not noticeable at other times. The demonstrators did not get in the DCCC faces but in fact stayed back from the podium as they chanted “shame – shame”. The chant was lot led by Campos or Ronin. There was no violence – none. As a retired grandmother and native of SF, this is the kind of statement that harms everyone.

  24. I was there and left after Wiener did. His version is a crock and as one of the posters stated: was an attempt to deflect shame from himself. Who am I? A retired grandmother and a native of Sf who is very concerned about housing crisis in the Mission and in SF.

  25. They reached a tipping point in their numbers and they have convinced themselves through their simple minded rhetoric that they “speak for the people.”

    So whatever they do to fight the man is justified.

  26. back in the SFBG days Tim rationalized occupy violence by saying that he didn’t know if tearing up a bank was violence. So his understanding of violence is all about the agenda, not the actual act. Screaming liberals are always justified in whatever they do, if they get out of hand it can be rationalized, as Tim did for Black Block back in the day, anyone else acting out is another propaganda angle all together.

  27. Just as I guessed – you’re a tea party supporter. How many Tea Party rallies have you seen?

  28. There is a police investigation and six eye witnesses have corroborated the claims. I’d expect an arrest soon, and rightly so.

    Why are you excusing such bad behavior?

  29. Anybody who has attended any meeting involving Mission activists and a Plaza 16 gang will readily attest that they use intimidation as a silencing tactic. This isn’t controversial or debatable, and every media account of such meetings not writen by 48Hills makes that very clear. Here’s one example:

    http://missionlocal.org/2015/03/protesters-drown-out-developers-benefits-presentation/

    Tim’s slow decline from journalist to full-time propagandist has been a sad thing to watch. But you know what they say: “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.”

  30. “And verbal abuse and hate speech goes well beyond mere free speech or the making a contrary case.”

    Yes, the number of arrests substantiates your case.

  31. Look, we all saw Campos and his staff whip everyone into a frenzy. Immediately after the vote, his staffer Hillary Ronin (who doesn’t live in the Mission, but is reportedly trying to move into D9 from her comfy Westside D7 digs to run for Supe next year) jumped up screaming and told everyone to stand up and start yelling, before ducking back into the shadows. Campos aide Joe Smook is right there in the video with Fernando (forget his last name) shouting “shame shame” and laughing, with Gabe Medina from MEDA (who is being paid by the City to do the Mission Action Plan 2020 “study”!) rejecting requests to ask the (mostly white) people from his Latino Democrats Club to calm down in order to discuss the next item of business. Later on, we all saw Campos and Ronin join the mob to get in DCCC members’ faces to yell “You’re disgusting!” There were no less than 6 witnesses to the attack on Pimentel, most of whom have already been contacted by police and CHP. Big mistake by Redmond and Progressives to dismiss these acts of violence. Highly likely that Campos and his staff get investigated for their role in inciting the violence. Big mistake Tim….

  32. Tommi is a seasoned operator and he should have kept control over his droogs. He must have known that any sign of juvenile petulance would damn his campaign in the public eye, and yet he allowed his own immaturity and anger issues to override.

    He probably feels very bad right now that this all backfired on his watch. Gullicksen would have done a more mature job of keeping his troops in check.

  33. What plight? There are 50,000 blacks in SF. How many do you think there should be?

    There are 100,000 Hispanics in SF. How many do you think there should be?

    Please outline the correct racial quotas for the city so we can all determine what social engineering strategies we need in place to achieve them.

  34. There are two first hand accounts of violence. One of actual violence and one of threatened violent. And verbal abuse and hate speech goes well beyond merely making a contrary case.

    Spin it how you like but your side shot themselves in the foot here. Even sffoghorn/marcos gets that.

  35. Tommi knows that but he doesn’t care. His idea takes money away from affordable housng but he doesn’t care. His real agenda is to stop people who he personally doesn’t like from moving to the Mission. If you’re a straight white tech worker, Tommi thinks you are the anti-Christ.

    For Campos it is similar. He wants to freeze his Mission constituency in time so that he and others who follow him can continue to maintain that narrow, Hispanic and overtly racist power base.

    Progressives want no progress at all. They want regression – nothing to change and for the clock to be turned back in time to a state that we the people long ago rejected.

  36. No violence – just yelling, which is a constitutional right, no matter how much it bothers you and other pearl-clutchers. If a politician can’t handle the heat, they need to quit and let someone in who can.

  37. Who gets to decide which laws are “outdated”? Let me guess. You?

    You can oppose through constructive debate and civilized discourse. You can oppose through permitted peaceful protests. What you cannot reasonably do is get violent and aggressive just because you lose a battle. If you can’t control your temper you should stay at home where you can’t do any harm.

    Anyone who has played a lot of sport as a kid learns how to lose with grace and dignity. But somehow Tommi doesn’t look like the kind of guy anyone wanted on their team.

    Supporters of the moratorium set back their cause here. Not so much because of the vote against them, but because they were exposed as an unruly vindictive mob. That is why Tim is trying to do damage control here.

  38. When is the Democratic Party going to expel these jerks? They’re not even Dems, they’re Radicals, calling themselves Progressives; because they like the sound of the name, (the Progressive Party was a wing of the Republican Party).

  39. Bogus and biased poll that has been totally debunked here and elsewhere, as you well know.

  40. Being upset doesn’t have to mean acting out badly and violently, unless you have no self-control or respect for others, in which case does our city known for its tolerance even want them here at all?

  41. Even the video that Tim thought was exculpatory shows blatant intimidation, and that missed the violent melee as the DCCC members tried to leave.

  42. So you are calling Wiener and Piemental liars? Even though you weren’t there and have no idea what happened?

    You are basing your claims on what you wish to be true.

  43. What happened at the end of the meeting was protest and protest holds an essential and sacred place in our political process. Public servants deserve to be publicly shamed and face the protests of the people when those public servants blatantly vote against the wishes of the community to serve the interests of their corporate/wealthy campaign donors.

    More than one hundred people showed up to support the moratorium at the DCCC meeting, far more than doubling the opponents present. Eight hundred to one thousand people went to City Hall on May 8 demanding moratoriums on both luxury development and evictions, taking over the rotunda in a stunning display of popular power and sentiment not seen in that space since perhaps the HUAC protest in 1960.

    Polls indicate 65% citywide support for a moratorium.
    http://m.sfexaminer.com/sanfrancisco/halt-on-building-new-mission-housing-has-support-poll-says/Content?oid=2925028

    The reason Scott Wiener and others are making utterly false claims of intimidation and violence is because they were properly shamed for their votes against the community and they know it. They are desperately attempting to deflect that shame onto others.

  44. The people they’re shouting at are democratically elected to represent the San Francisco Democratic Party. If these protestors don’t like their choices, why don’t just join the Green Party. It really seems like this small group feels entitled to decide what the majority of Democrats support. Also if you are a Green Party member or whatever, you really don’t have any right to be outraged about what Democrats choose to do. They should go win an election or go home.

    Tommi Avicolli Mecca is a Green, we should care less if he says “to hell with the Democrats.” I highly encourage him to invite Ross Mirkarimi, Jane Kim and everyone else who jump shipped to come back (or not) so we can’t stop having this charade that everyone in SF represents just one party. What are Green Party members doing at our meeting anyway?

    http://www.sfgreenparty.org/issues/67-sf-supervisors-report-card-2014
    See, the Green Party knows who represents them.

  45. What happened at the end of the meeting was protest. Public servants deserve to be publicly shamed and face the protests of the people when those public servants blatantly vote against the wishes of the community to serve the interests of their corporate/wealthy campaign donors.

    More than one hundred people showed up to support the moratorium at the DCCC meeting, more than doubling the opponents present. Eight hundred to one thousand people went to City Hall on May 8 demanding moratoriums on both luxury development and evictions, taking over the rotunda in a stunning display of popular power and sentiment not seen in that space since perhaps the HUAC protest in 1960.

    Polls indicate 65% citywide support for a moratorium.
    http://m.sfexaminer.com/sanfra

    The reason Scott Wiener and others are making utterly false claims of intimidation and violence is because they were properly shamed for their votes and they are attempting to deflect that shame onto others.

  46. The Chronicle reporter published an account after attempting to contact exactly one person from the group of folks who supported the moratorium and who were slanderously accused of violence. The story is one-sided, unfounded, incorrect, and unacceptable journalism.

  47. What happened at the end of the meeting is protest. It’s not intimidation or harassment. Protest has an essential place in our political process.

  48. It is shocking that people who have been displaced from the only neighborhood they’ve ever know would be upset by a decision that was pre-determined by the oligarchs.

  49. that’s called speed reading and considering your posts have no depth, it took less than a minute. try to keep up.

  50. The video is less than 3 minutes long. Apparently the mob followed outside and down the street in a threatening manner.

  51. Years of economic violence perpetrated on the poor and working class families in the Mission and Scott Wiener has the audacity to pretend he thought we was going to be assaulted after this meeting? Look at the video. He’s absolutely full of BS and everyone who was in that room and everyone one in this comment section knows it.

  52. Thanks for taking the time from your otherwise-busy life to tally up all my posts. Send me $24.95 and I’ll send you my fan club t-shirt. Be the envy of all the other #boughtandpaidfortrolls!

  53. >”It’s really mind boggling why someone would be against that, unless they are hooked into the speculative real estate machine.”

    Let me try to unboggle you. People with a lot of disposable income want to move into the Mission. Building new housing allows them to do so without displacing anyone or anything other than a Burger King.

    Without new housing they will displace current tenants.

    What you really need is a moratorium on wealthy people being allowed to move to the Mission. But them there’s that US Constitution thing.

  54. >j”There are some inviolable rules of journalism and Emily Green’s piece violated one of them.”

    Only if you are allowed to make up the rules to fit your objective.

    If Martians appeared during the meeting then she would be breaking an inviolable rule of journalism by printing the reactions and statements of people who were there?

    Recently there was a neighborhood meeting where Julie Christensen said the words “rent control problem”. Neither Joe ‘the consummate professional’ Fitzgerald nor Tim Redmond were there but it didn’t stop either one of them from ‘reporting’ what she said. Even if they weren’t exactly sure what it was.

  55. The reporter offered to print the attacker’s side of the story as well but she refused.

  56. I agree, the imagery conveyed is of weakness and that allowed the conservatives to counter attack and further weaken them. The Democrat hacks can ignore the usual suspects and instead of building political power to prevail, they throw temper tantrums that convey further weakness and reflect a general juvenile approach to electoral politics. Theirs is a culture of entitlement, and there are no entitlements in politics, you’ve got to actually work for it. The infantilize their “base,” trotting out human beings like props, and now infantilize their response to the DCCC.

    Strategery is beyond them.

  57. Disruptive persistence is the hallmark of our times. As our local booming industry has shown … I’m sure you don’t disagree that persistence, disrespect for ‘outdated’ laws, and unwavering convictions in success against odds are the new most respected features in a human around here.

    Ah, but you see this industry concept of disruption is fake and disingenuous. It’s only selective disruption, brought on by intense lobbying, studying loopholes, staying a step ahead of enforcement and laws, and preventing competition. Not to mention practically unlimited funding. If only housing activists were so pernicious …

  58. They’re not going against the wishes of the community. Only against the wishes of a small, radical segment of the community.

  59. The reporter from the Chronicle WASN’T AT THE MEETING as she readily admits in her “coverage.” How can a reporter possibly publish a reliable account of an event she didn’t attend? There are some inviolable rules of journalism and Emily Green’s piece violated one of them.

  60. Public servants deserve to be publicly shamed when they blatantly go against the wishes of the community to serve the interests of their corporate/wealthy campaign donors.

  61. “Where do you propose that people go or what can they do to be heard? ”

    The noisy minority were heard. Both during the meeting in a controlled civilized way, and after the meeting in a nasty, threatening way

    A better question is why these people could not accept defeat? In politics, sometimes we win and sometimes we lose. Throwing a hissy fit whenever you lose is not the hallmark of political maturity. In fact, it harms their cause which is why Tim is in total spin mode here. He understands the damage caused here.

    Sometimes you get heard but then you get rejected anyway. Sometimes we don’t get our way. Deal with it like an adult rather than like a petulant seven year old.

  62. You were the one who was whining that the sheriff evicts people. My understanding is that he is simply following the law. If you don’t like the law then get elected and then change it.

    Intimidation and harassment have no place in our political process. The fact that Tim is desperately trying to do spin and damage control here is a sure indication that he understands how damaging this outburst was to the regressive cause, even if you are too blind to see it.

  63. It may be as Tim sez. Weiner & Pimental were ‘overreacting’. But then, with the emotional nature of the situation, it seemed like most present were overreacting.

    I can understand why Feinstein and Harris didn’t want to commit. But why was Sen. Mark Leno MIA?

  64. All of these ‘outraged’ comments, reactions to watching people chant and yell their thoughts, in a public meeting were community issues are being determined, is reminiscent of oppressive regimes. Where do you propose that people go or what can they do to be heard? These are taxpayers after all. You don’t like what they’re saying? Well you’re also welcome to attend meetings and air your grievance. Or just ignore these articles, videos etc. instead you are hiding on an online forum.

    A regime need not be political or cultural, it can also be economic. And that is SF today. In th US and beyond it is the poster child for runaway inequality. The city and elected officials are at a loss or perhaps truly disinterested. Now yes, there are more wealthy people but overall even in the Bay Area working people earning by now extremely substandard wages are in the vast majority and are being pushed to limits. Sound good?

    Let me understand: you are saying that luxury housing has won and no other housing should be built? You mean a moratorium on affordable housings? Because the proposed moratorium only prohibits luxury housing … It’s really mind boggling why someone would be against that, unless they are hooked into the speculative real estate machine.

    Plenty of places with much fewer resources have solved the housing problem.

  65. “A bunch of old lefties pointing fingers and yelling, “Shame on you!” Your idea of jackbooted thugs, tee hee?

    There is no dispute about Mirk’s wrongful grabbing of his wife’s arm. But he didn’t beat her.

    Spam wrote:

    “Why are you excusing someone who evicts families?”

    That sentence is LOL hysterical, seeing as you’re a one-man cheerleading squad for eviction. You truly define disingenousness.

    Now say goodnight, Spammy.

  66. So Tommi “told me that he was watching the crowd pretty carefully because he didn’t want to see anything ugly break out” – and he did this because it was calm and peaceful and orderly?
    Righttttt…
    I lived here during the Gavin vs hipster christ superstar nonsense and a similar thing happened frequently then. Businesses which displayed pro newsom banners were paintballed. Windows were broken.
    Since nothing ever changes in this town, its likely the same bunch of players “speaking truth to power”
    When children dont get their way, they tantrum. This is just the beginning of what this crowd is capable of.

  67. That was blatant intimidation and the fact that you condone it is a damning indictment of your tactics.

    There is a video out there where Mirk’s wife shows the bruises she got from him, was crying and clearly was in fear of her life. Why are you excusing someone who evicts families?

  68. 1. Nobody is being threatened, only shamed.
    2. Mirkarimi didn’t beat his wife.
    Got any more, Sham?

  69. Politics in America is not threatening people for no reason other than that they have a different political outlook. Politics in America is respect for and tolerance of diversity.

    If you think the sheriff should not be evicting families then take it up with local progressive wife-beating hero Mirkarimi. Evidently he is OK with it.

  70. OH, SHOCKING! Cut the bogus hysteria, Sam, that’s politics in America.

    Sheriff deputies evicting families? Now that’s appalling behavior (albeit fap material for you).

  71. BREAKING NEWS: Scott Wiener See’s His Own Shadow, Feels Threatened……….Takes Out A Restraining Order On The Sun

  72. Worse, in fact, since I have never seen a Tea Party rally where there was aggression, intimidation and violence.

    This has been coming for a good while. Occupy, the protests that broke windows, the demonstrations that blocked peoples’ commutes home, and now this.

    Message to the left – nobody wins all the time. Learn how to accept defeat with grace, dignity and maturity.

  73. Yeah, the progressives are reminding me more and more of far right tea partiers every day.

  74. There used to be a time when the left advocated for peace and tolerance.

    Evidently that time has passed into a newer, uglier phase where the left is now the voice of violence and intolerance.

  75. Even the video that Tim linked to, which he presumably thought wasn’t too bad, shows appalling and intimidating behavior.

    Why are you condoning such shockingly aggressive behavior?

  76. A different location with more security seems appropriate if the leftist faction of SF progressives cannot control their emotions.

  77. I agree Tim is a decent soul. Typically he is the anti-Tommi.

    But he suffers from confirmation bias the same way many of us do. Based on the video alone it seems entirely plausible that two members of DCCC were verbally assaulted and felt threatened. If Tim thinks they are both lying he should say so. Otherwise he should denounce this mob behavior.

    Tim is in a very difficult place here. Either he plays to his base or he condemns aggressive behavior. What will he do? Time to be counted.

  78. It’s called “sore loser syndrome”. If the vote had gone the other way it would have been the voice of the people. But because it didn’t, it justifies violent aggressive behavior

    This tiny extremist minority needs to have an injunction brought against them

  79. Even from the video it is obvious that a tiny but aggressive mob behaved deplorably. I think DCCC should ensure that there is security at future meetings if sore losers like Tommi cannot control themselves. That is an appalling way to treat people regardless of whether they are elected, appointed or just interested parties.

    Tim, the fact that you shameful try and excuse this belligerence and (according to two DCCC members, violent) behavior belies the mild-mannered civilized person I thought you were

    Shame on you.. It is OK to feel angry. It is not OK to act out on that anger and cause harm, threaten to cause harm, or otherwise intimidate people.

  80. Wow, what a bunch of babies. You don’t get your way so throw a tantrum. The vid is very telling…

  81. You can distinctly hear a Mission protester call for “blood on the streets” at 1:43 of the video.

  82. Our local media is just a mouthpiece for the 1%. When the Chron is struggling and dependent on the corporate advertisers, they can’t afford to cross The Chron hasn’t been unbiased in years. Control the spin and you control the city.

  83. How do you know that it is incorrect coverage? Because you don’t like it? How about some, you know…proof?
    Look I wasn’t there but I do read 48 Hills and, based on his track record, there is no reason to assume that Tim Redmond is telling the truth, ever.
    He gets caught telling falsehoods in every post, sometimes in multiples per post.
    The belief that Weiner isn’t telling the truth because Tim Redmond didn’t see him get harassed is a pretty good litmus test for who is thinking rationally.

  84. Another BIG difference between the BOS meetings and the DCCC meetings is public accommodation. That awful tomb in the CA State Building that houses the DCCC has absolutely ZERO internet connection, no phone reception, there is no (or very little) ventilation and there isn’t a sound system AT ALL.

    Nobody can hear what the DCCC is saying unless they yell or the audience sits at the front of the room. There is no microphone or amplification for public comment.

    One would think in a city being cornholed and occupied by TECH with the encouragement and support of the local Democratic Party that someone at some point on that panel would have considered that the public isn’t being served well in that room.

    Unless that’s the point. Maybe our marvelous representatives in the Democratic Party would prefer the public stay far away from them.

    That is a problem.

  85. this has been happening for quite awhile in the mainstream media and by many of the responders at 48Hills: attempting to twist the details so that those who are not going along with the displacement program are thugs; and scary thugs at that – threatening those who welcome displacement wealth and greed, diminishing them to tears and whines; quite easy to disprove this story I am sure – but harder to have the SF Chron retract their incorrect coverage

  86. ” I didn’t see anything remotely resembling what Wiener and Pimentel complained about.” Cue all the #paidwingnuttrolls – they weren’t there either and their stories of how this happened will start gushing out any minute now…

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